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“Simply put, according to the Bible, no consensual sexual practices among adults are sinful.”

You should add to that, “as long as it does not violate the Law of love—Love God as the only creator God and love others as you love yourself”
In number 25: 1-9 the Hebrews were having “consensual sex” with pagan temple prostitutes as part of worship to the pagan fertility god and God got very angry with them.

This sex was in violation of the law of love. They were using there sex as part of a worship to a pagan fertility god. God does not want any one to use there sexual freedom to do that.

Also if a married women owned by another man should not have consensual sex with another man’s wife without the husband permission because that may get the husband very angry and he shots your head off. This would violate the husband ownership right over his wife.

consensual sexual practices should also include consensual from the “owner” of the women or “authority over” the female like a father or a husband.

Some women have no male master (no father or no husband) master over them. They also would have sexual freedom from God.

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Posted by: tom95354 | Jul 17, 2010 7:06:46 PM REPORT ABUSE

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Corrected definition for “adultery” and “Fornication”

Also some misguided people think polygamy or male sexual freedom is a sin. 100% Wrong.

Correct Definition of the word “Fornication”

Many in the church define “Fornication” has “single sex a sin” but that is totally 100% wrong definition.

Paul clearly defines the word “fornication” in 1 Cor 10:8 by pointing to Numbers 25:1-9 activity. The activity in Nu 25 is the pagan temple prostitutes would seduce any and all to come worship their pagan fertility god by joining with them in a pagan sex orgies worshipping the pagan fertility god. This is correct definition of the word “fornication”.

The pagans took advantage of the sexual freedom God gave all creation at creation by using it to sexual seduce them to worship the pagan fertility god. They did this in both OT and NT.

This pagan fertility god pagan worship was very wide spread in all the Bible times.

The major context of anti-sexual freedom is cause from the Bible times Pagan fertility god worship . During the worship of this pagan fertility god they would have pagan sex orgies. They treated this fertility pagan god as the creator of sex and sexual pleasures and would reward them with good farm crops if they worship this pagan fertility god. They also would give human baby sacrifice to the pagan fertility god. Some babies had a “Christian” father given as a baby sacrifice to the pagan god. This is the context and foundation of most negative talk about sexual freedom in the Bible.

Sexual Freedom Given to all by God himself.

At the creation of everything and everybody God gave sexual freedom to 100% of God’s creation. Gen 3:16 women was put under the male, creating a chain of command: God—man—women. All the rest of God’s creation including man, still had sexual freedom accept man controlled women’s sexual freedom by being women’s master.

2 Sam 12:8 God told David he could have as many sex partner as he wanted. Unlimited.

SOS 6:8 Solomon, wisest man on earth, with God’s given wisdom, knew he had unlimited sex partners. This was given to all God’s creation at creation by God himself for all times, both OT and NT.

Corrected definition for “adultery”

The church has the wrong definition for the word “adultery”. They say it is ”a spouse having sex outside the one man, one women marriage”. This is totally wrong definition.

The correct definition for adultery is because of God’s chain of command: God—man—women set up in Gen 3:16. Because God put man master over women, then the man is master over the women’s sexual freedom.

The husband is master over sexual freedom of his owned wives under him. Adultery is violation of this authority of the chain of command.

Example: If another man has sex with another man’s owned wives, without his permission, then that would be adultery against that man. If the owner of the wives gives permission to another man to have sex with his wife, then that is not adultery at all. Today swingers is ok not a sin at all.

Ex 21:4 a master loans one of his wives to one of his servants as a loaner “wife” to him. But the servant never owned the master’s wife. The master was always the owner of the wife and all the children that the wife and servant produced. This was not adultery at all.

This applies for all times because the chain of command was set by God in Gen 3:16 and is still active today. Today if a man gives another man permission to have sex with his wife this is not adultery but 100% ok. Just like it was ok in Ex 21:4. Man is still head of the home in the New Testament also just like he was in the OT.

Polygamy is not adultery. Polygamy is not a sin at all. God, himself promoted polygamy. Polygamy is just part of this sexual freedom that God gave all his creation at creation including humans. When ever the Hebrew ruled over themselves, they always had polygamy promote by God himself.

King David “a man after God own heart” had over 20 wives and concubines give to him by God himself 2 Sam 12:8 and if David wanted more then God would give him as many as he wanted. Unlimited.

King Solomon , wisest man on earth with God given wisdom, had 1000 wives and concubines and had unlimited virgin available to him. SOS 6:8.

Polygamy and male sexual freedom did not stop at any time still active today. Jesus nor the New testament nor Paul did not stop polygamy or God given sexual freedom. This is still part of the sexual freedom given to man at creation by God himself to all creation.

Some in the church wrongly misunderstand and think Paul changed marriage to one man , one female and is taking away man God given sexual freedom. This is totally wrong conclusion. This is totally take out of context.

We are missing the letter that the church sent to Paul explaining the problem. Paul wrote back suggesting a solution to the problem of the single men being seduced by the pagan Temple prostitutes to join them in the worship of the pagan fertility god. Male sexual freedom did not include worship a page fertility sex god as they did in Nu 25 and in Corinth and many other places all over the place.

Nothing wrong with having sex with non-pagan prostitutes. This were part of God given sexual freedom given at creation to all God’s creation. Samson and Judah had sex with a non-temple, non pagan prostitute and that was normal and not a sin at all.

Buy her vs rent her for sex.

Proverbs suggest that it is cheaper to buy the women and become the women’s owner, to have sex with her, rather then rent the women for sex. Renting cost a lot more money better to of buy her instead. Cheaper in the long run.

The reason you don’t hear much about polygamy in the New Testatment is because they were being ruled by pagan Roman empire that limited the Hebrew from having many wives and concubines in fear they would over reproduce the Romans and take over the Romans by force. Egypt did the same thing, with the same fear.

Also they did not have a great surplus of women as they did in the OT when they were conquering other countries and taking there virgins as recorded in Nu 31: 18, 35 where God himself told them to keep 32,000 virgin and divide them up to all the men as a reward for fighting in the battle. This clearly is God promoting polygamy.

Also God promoted polygamy when he passed laws about when a brother or brothers die in battle the other brother was to marry the brothers wives. Duet 25:5 This also clearly shows God promoting polygamy.

Many misuse the verse that say, “king should not multiply wives”. God was all for polygamy and male sexual freedom, but God feared that if Solomon multiply “pagan” wives as gifts from pagan counties leaders, that these very beautiful, sexy, pagan, wives would seduce Solomon heart away from worshiping God 100% and give into his pagan wives request to set up pagan worship poles and places in Israel so the pagan wives can worship there pagan gods. 1 kings 1-14.

All the above shows the church major wrong understanding of God’s given sexual freedom for all men, given at creation to all God’s creation and show support in many places in the Bible to back this up..

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Posted by: tom95354 | Jul 17, 2010 5:47:28 PM REPORT ABUSE

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In Gen1 God created all things. 100% of God creation is 100% nudist including humans. God wants all his creation to be nudist with no shame and no guilt at all.

100% God’s creation has unlimited sex partners over a life time, having sex in open public view of all with many sex partners over a life time including humans with no shame and no guilt. This is God’s thinking, God’s desire, God's plan for 100% of God’s creation.

To this day we still see this in all God’s creation accept humans. Humans are the only one that disobey God and reject God creation plan for them. Humans are the only one that rebelled and reject God.

The church today copies Adam and Eve rejection and disobedience to God and to God creation design. We should be totally accept God creation plan for us as God created it in the Law of love. Love God as the only God and creator and love others as we love ourselves.

Most of the rest of the Bible reflexes man’s on going rejection of God and violate the law of Love. Adam and Eve and lies from Satan they came up with man made shame and man made guilt trip over nudity and sexuality. This did not come from God but from satan lies and sinful man confusion.

And today most copy sinful Adam and Eve man made shame and guilt trip over nudity and sex.

Also some say that because God only make human one male and one female, then that is what marraiage should be. This is totally wrong conclusion.

God make all animal one male and one female including humans. God make them all from the ground just like he made humans. God put them all in the Garden of Eden 100% nudist including humans. 100% of God creation has many sex partner in open public view with no shame and no guilt as God designed it to be, including humans.

This is the correct conclusion from God creation. We should not rebel or reject God creation plan but accept it as God’s desire for 100% of God creation including humans.

For more check out: inkaboutit.homestead.com and Libchrist.com
God.

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Posted by: tom95354 | Jul 16, 2010 5:31:47 PM REPORT ABUSE

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Great Article.

I am very pro-swinging and pro-nudist. I am long time Christian and study the Bible a lot. From all my major research in the Bible, God would be 100% pro-swinging, pro-nudist, pro-polygamy, pro-sex.

Good Christian pro-sex, pro-nudist, pro-sex, pro-swinger web site check out: libchrist.com and inkaboutit.homestead.com, both written by pro-swinger Bible College Degree Christians.

Most anti-sexual freedom that comes out many churches are totally based on "tradition of men" passed down for generation most taken out of proper context. They violate basic Hemanutic when they studying sex in the Bible which causes backward wrong conclusions about sex.

The correct way to study sex in the Bible is to start at Gen 1:1 and go forward. The church does it backward. They take some verses in the new testament, totally out of context and then go backward through the Bible. Totally backward and out of context and come up totally wrong conclusion.
Check out; Libchrist.com and inkaboutit.homestead.com

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Posted by: tom95354 | Jul 16, 2010 5:01:37 PM REPORT ABUSE

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In my opinion, the Bible is here to guide you and keep you away from dangerous things. For example, breaking one of the 10 commandments like killings, stealing, taking your neighbors wife without permission of course, could have some seriously bad consequences. Weather you believe in the Bible or not, I think we can all agree that most of the 10 commandments make sense in today's society and although we may feel we don't need written documentation to make good decisions, the fact that it’s there probably does more good than harm.
So, that being said, one could argue that "the lifestyle" being abused or enjoyed in such a way that it either violates one of the 10 commandments or it has negative repercussions throughout your life (by way of abuse) could arguably be considered bad. However, my experience so far, (although limited), would suggest that "the lifestyle" can have some seriously positive repercussions like enhancing your marriage, improving your bond with your spouse through fantastic sex.
I'm not sure how scientific of a study it is, but couples that practice this lifestyle are suggested to have better marriages and they don't get separated as often as people that do not, which is probably good for everyone except divorce attorneys. In the context of stimulating your marriage and keeping your marital commitments, the lifestyle as a marital hobby shared together makes some sense when you think about it.
Now all that being said, I think that Christians that put God first and marriage second as God commanded is probably doing ok. If enhancing their sex life through the lifestyle helps accomplish that goal, I guess we can all live with that. Just make sure that you don't cause anyone else to fail in their Christian walk and the lifestyle doesn't become so consuming that it has negative repercussions on your marriage or life in general. Like anything else, everything in moderation, nothing in excess.

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Posted by: dkfuncpl | May 23, 2010 8:00:15 PM REPORT ABUSE

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We disagree with the notion that the Bible has nothing bad to say about any sex acts besides non-consensual ones. There are two ways this could be approached.

One would be to point out that this article's light on evidence and heavy on controversy. For instance, if you want to say that those prohibitions against adultery and homosexuality in Leviticus are due to bad translations, you really need to show how you arrived at such a controversial conclusion. Both prohibitions seem quite unambiguous in all the versions of Leviticus we've come across. And the Leviticus prohibition against homosexuality (20:13) even carries the penalty of death! So if, as you say, that oneýs actually just a statement of how common homosexuality was that was improperly translated, thenýWOWýthe existing translation is a really, REALLY bad translation! Thatýd be SUCH a bad translation, in fact, that it's very hard to believe in your gay-friendly alternative interpretation. Not that you have to be wrong about it, of courseýbut where's your evidence?

The general claim that all consensual sex acts are fine with the Bible seems patently false in other ways, too. Consensual sex during menstruation, for instance, warrants banishment in the Bible (Lev 20:18). And regarding the related claim that non-consensual sex is condemned in Bible, consider that while it is true that some parts of the Bible condemn it, in other parts it is not only encouraged, but required. Like how when a man lives with his married brother and the brother dies, that man is required to have sex with his dead brother's wife whether he likes it or not (Deut 25:5).

No need to go on about this. More examples of problematic Biblical things can be found here, for anyone whoýs interested: http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/

Unfortunately, we find that arguing with dedicated Believers about the Bible in this way is almost always ineffective. If people really like Christianity, but also really like a certain lifestyle that is in clear conflict with Christianity (like, for instance, THE Lifestyle), people are usually willing to give the Bible any interpretation under the sun if it will help them to feel like they're not contradicting themselves when they try to keep both Christianity and the lifestyle they like. This is what the earlier commenter, ubandi (comment 3), meant in saying that reconciling a swinger lifestyle with the Bible is deceit. It is deceit in that the reconciliation is intellectually dishonest. (This is not to pick on Christians in particular, mind you. People are good at convincing themselves out of ALL kinds of contradictions when the stakes seem high ý like how some people convince themselves that an abusive relationship is really a good one, for instance, because they know they should break off abusive relationships, but because they also really want to stay with the abusive person, for whatever reason.)

The other way to approach the attempt of this article to reassure people that the Bible is OK with nearly all kinds of sex is just to try to point out the needlessness of the whole exercise of trying to reconcile sexual behavior with Biblical rules. The Bible is just a book of stories (partially fairy tales, partially history) that has been written, re-written, edited, and censored by human beings over the course of many years, making it a highly fallible document right from the beginning. While it may contain some accuracies and some good rules for living, there is little reason to think that there is any supernatural significance to it. Certainly there is no more supernatural significance to it than there is supernatural significance to any of the other similar self-proclaimed ýholyý books of other religions that address the same kinds of concerns and yet contradict the Bible -- books that people born into other cultures believe in just as much as Christians believe the Bible, with no less supporting evidence than Christians and with no more wishful interpretation than Christians. The implications of this are obvious: You want to be a swinger and you THINK you need consistency with the Bible. But you donýt need it. By choosing to become a swinger, you already shook off a lot of overly-simplistic, absolutist sexual rules that the conformist part of your culture tried to burden you with. You shook it off because you thought for yourself and saw that there was a better way for people to live. So why quit shaking? There are still more unnecessary rules on your back.

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Posted by: Gothicgranola | Dec 22, 2009 10:27:51 AM REPORT ABUSE

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I've always been pleasantly surprised by the wide variety of beliefs that are represented by the swinger community.

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Posted by: EDITOR | Feb 5, 2009 11:01:40 AM REPORT ABUSE

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Thank you for the article..it says many things we have thought for years..however, our position is that while working in a church and doctrine that does not agree with our interpretation of love and marriage..we sometimes feel fake or underhanded as we help others deal with their life issues and work as leaders in our church...being real is one thing we promote more than anything, however because of small towns and doctrinal beliefs we still feel "bad" sometimes...your article does make some points that we have been making in our life as well for several years.

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Posted by: liketowchu | Jan 5, 2009 12:22:21 PM REPORT ABUSE

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As an atheist, I see through the b.s. that is theology. Period.

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Posted by: Senthusiast | Jan 4, 2009 8:53:16 AM REPORT ABUSE

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A minor disagreement with the authors...

There are three areas where the Bible bans sex. One is, as he said in the article, rape. Another is some fairly detailed lists of what is considered incest including immediate neighbors as well as the usual family members. The last is using sex as part of religious ritual to worship other Gods and that's banned with or without the sex so the sex really isn't the big issue there.

But, to the real point, there's nothing I've ever seen that prohibits anything that those of us in the Lifestyle practice. Multi-partner sex? Group sex? Partner swapping? Polyamory? Extramarital sex with permission of your partner? All of those seem to be at a minimum acceptable and in many cases highly endorsed.

The Biblical rules seem to be a pretty solid match with modern Lifestyle practices. Respect your partner(s) and enjoy the gifts of the body you've been given.

I guess that makes us the Moral Minority.

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Posted by: MB1991 | Dec 30, 2008 6:25:12 PM REPORT ABUSE

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To clarify on romikk32's comments, the "spouse as property" thing in the Bible is not so much a matter of sexism as it is of jointly held property. While there are plenty of areas where sexism is there - hey, hopefully we've grown in a few thousand years - you can also find examples of women exercising their property rights by renting out their husbands for sex.

In fact, two of the original 12 Tribes originated in just such a deal. Rachel wanted some fruit that Leah's son had harvested. She traded sex with Jacob for some of the fruit. Jacob had no say in the matter. The result was two sons and a daughter including Issachar whose name translates to "I have bought you" and Zebulun.

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Posted by: MB1991 | Dec 30, 2008 6:17:43 PM REPORT ABUSE

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I don't know of any new testament writings that expressly forbid consenting extramarital sex. In fact, the statement " the marriage bed is undefiled" pretty much covers it all. Whatever is equally consented to within the marriage is ok.
There were many times that women were given to the king sexually as concubines for a time, and returned to their husbands. Abraham traded off his wife Sarah at least twice for property and grazing rights. He may have done it originally in fear, but did it again successfully. David and Soloman had MANY wives. The only thing David did wrong in God's eyes was to have Bathsheba's husband killed. Funny thing is that the guy would probably have given her to David if he'd simply asked. It was the deceit, fear and shame that caused the problems, not the physical act. Always better to be straightforward and honest.
I find that many old testament books , especially levitical teachings, the rules were set out to protect a fledgling society. Such as not eating pork. It would have been hard to explain to a very simple people that if you ate improperly cooked pork, you would get Trichinosis. So it was easier for them to understand " thou shall not.." Likewise women being treated as property rather than equals. "Simple" societies couldn't/ still can't accept women being treated equally.
This article was an extremely well written piece.

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Posted by: romikk32 | Dec 29, 2008 6:41:30 AM REPORT ABUSE

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This article was very helpful to my consiounce! Thank you so much for writing it. I feel very comfortable in my faith and just needed some reassurance!

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Posted by: chadjenn | Dec 16, 2008 8:13:56 PM REPORT ABUSE

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@ubandi:

Huh? How come, as a christian, he is not allowed to quote from the bible?

Are you saying the bible is wrong? The very first christian doctrine is that the bible is the word of god....

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Posted by: sfcuties | Dec 7, 2008 8:10:18 PM REPORT ABUSE

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WE APPRECIATE UR DISCERNMENT OF THE BIBLE AND SHARE THE SAME SPIRIT OF TOPIC. WE WOULD LIKE TO GIVE A FOUNDATION OF SCRIPTURE THAT MAY PUT ANY NEGATIVE FEED BACK TO REST. 1CORINTHIANS 7:4-5 "The wife's body does not belong to her alone, but also to her husband. In the same way, the husband's body does not belong to him alone but also to his wife. Do not deprive each other except by mutual consent and for a time, so that you may devote yourselves to prayer. Then come together again so that Satan will not tempt you because of your lack of self- control.

PEACE AND LOVE :)

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Posted by: gingergold | Oct 15, 2008 8:35:24 AM REPORT ABUSE

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Thank you for your insight. You most certainly have studied your Bible. Very impressive. Great to know that some people still acknowlege God as a God of Love and acceptence rather then a God of fear and condemnation. I also find it refreshing that you were bold enough to be honest about your spiritually. Love is what makes the world go round, always has been...always will be, and for those of us out here that have a passion for sex and love..... well.....we my firends are the lucky ones. Warm Hugs.

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Posted by: eroticartists | Jan 22, 2008 7:40:16 PM REPORT ABUSE

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I'm new to The Lifestyle, but I do know about love. Worry about it when you die, not now. If Jesus is real, I'm SURE he'll understand, and FORGIVE. That's what he does, right? ; ) And if he's NOT real, it's STILL ok! See? Don't worry, be happy!!! Love your fellow man !! Peace. :)

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Posted by: lvjammer2003 | Jan 22, 2008 7:03:28 PM REPORT ABUSE

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its sheer deceit to try to rationalise your behaviours using the bible. You can just face who u have become and acknowledge that you are living outside Xtian doctrinenes. That is the onlly tyhing that can help your homeward journey

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Posted by: ubandi | Jan 21, 2008 1:16:20 AM REPORT ABUSE

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Enjoying my sexuality is my gift back to God who made me,loves me and accepts me just as I am..........

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Posted by: Foxycpl | Jan 18, 2008 2:25:39 PM REPORT ABUSE

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Thank you! This article was very helpful. We have had conversations with other Christian friends in the lifestyle regarding this very subject. We know that we will still find those that judge us by thinking we are playing both sides of the fence. That will simply be an issue they will have to deal with.

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Posted by: rayinbeth | Jan 14, 2008 8:29:26 PM REPORT ABUSE

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